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Postby leo_matousian on Mon Oct 01, 2007 11:25 am

Grigor Ariyatsi wrote:"

We are not racist like you, we are nationalists. Therefore, if a muslim has an Armenian ancesstry and considers himself/herself an Armenian, then we accept him/her as an Armenian.


racism has nothing to do with religion.

i also accept muslim practicing person as armenian if he has
armenian blood geneticaly.

and you cant be nationalist and accept some people who have
no blood connection with ancient armenians as armenians.

this kind of nationalism can only exist in jewish/new world order/race mixing dictionaries.

If somebody is black, but considers himself/herself as an Armenian, then he or she is Armenian.



this is the most ridicilouse comment that i heard.

you think that belonging to any nationality is just like belonging
to any maffia. :oops:

"if you talk their language and work for them then your one of them"


are we playing (god father) movie here ?




Your artificialy thought out dates like the one above has no real meaning.


it has meaning to many people who care about blood.

if all past generations lived on this way and if we live on this way
and the next up coming generations then armenian race will
not be extinct.

Who are you to decide who is Armenian and who is not?



im just 100% armenian ethnocentric racialist/fascist.
who thinks about keeping his 100% armenian bloodline clean
like his ancestors.


Besides, you cannot mix race with ethnicity, as they are two seperate things. Race, such as color of one's skin is a result of that person's biochemical composition where the person himself/herself has no choise in what race he/she is born into, while ethnicity has very little connection to one's biochemical make up. The ethnicity is primarely different by its native language and culture associated with the speakers of that language, and as such, one can choose to be of any ethnicity regardless of what race or culture they were born into.


race and ethnicity cannot be seperated.
dont look at america and other new countries.

if you do not make race mixing then you wont see romanian speaking
gypsies or armenian speaking assyrians or french speaking algerians.

we are here to fight agains this phenomena.
if some one has 100% armenian ancestry then he should speak
the language that his ancestors formed (ancient armenians)

if some one doesnt have 100% armenian ancestry
then hes just armenian speaking mongrel.and has no connection
with armenian people or armenian history...etc
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Postby ARMENIA on Mon Oct 01, 2007 11:46 am

Christianity is the same. Anyone of any race and ethnicity can be absorbed in this universal religion. Only in Armenism we hail and worship Armenianess while in Christianity we worship a jew prophet and jewish created myths.


In Christanity we are not considering all Christians as Armenians.
While in Armenism they are considering everyone who believes in Armenism as Armenians, thats the differance.

Even a black person is considered Armenian, imagine that then even zionists could easily infiltrate into our government.

With Christianity this is not the case, one can be Christian but we don't consider him Armenian.
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Postby leo_matousian on Mon Oct 01, 2007 11:54 am

Grigor Ariyatsi wrote:I just remember that you claim to be Aryan and Christian. I would like to mention that being Aryan has nothing to do with nationalism, and being Christian has nothing to do with nationalism, in fact these two contradict to each other the most.


i claimed to be christian by religion and aryan by blood not
by religion.

i also said that i like aryan paganism and the aryan pagan
festivals that armenian aryan order does every year in garni.

i have no hateness agains christianity and im somehow glad
that our ancestorys adopted christianity.

cause if they didnt adopt christianity they would surely become
muslim and they would never keep their true aryan paganic religion.

although we had genetic damage cause of christianity cause of
some dirty semitic nations like assyrians who are similar with us
in their religion.

but i think that if we were muslims there would be much greater
genetic damage with muslim arabs,kurds,non white iranians.

the reason that armenia is still 80/90% pure white and iran
is 70/80% non white.
cause they adopted islamism and we adopted chrisianity.

and islamism is much dangerous and faster in race mixture than
christianity.


but i believe that the time has come for us to get rid of christianity
little by little also to clean up the non white looking trashes from
our nation.

we can keep christianity as the official religion of our country and nation
in this new/jew world order.

but inside our hearts we can only worship to vahagn and anahit.
cause they are our gods.

and every nation has its soul and every soul has its nation.

of course this is something that mixed or even non aryan looking
armenian speaking people can never understand.

cause they have no blood relation and they can never feel
what pure blooded armenians can feel.



If you consider yourself as Christian nationalist Aryan, then you are living in ideological paradox, as one cannot be Christian and nationalist at the same time.



i consider my self christian officialy.

only in my passport and id card.and i dont oppose it and talk agains
it with hateness.

but inside my heart i only think about anahit.

while i agree with you that if some one is very fanatic christian
and reads holy bible so much can hardly think about his blood or nationality.

but tell me how the hell you accept muslims ? and oppose christianity ?

muslims are much more fanatic and loyal to their religion than christians.
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Postby Hayazad on Mon Oct 01, 2007 1:12 pm

ARMENIA wrote:In Christanity we are not considering all Christians as Armenians.While in Armenism they are considering everyone who believes in Armenism as Armenians, thats the differance.

Christianity considers every person who follows the teachings of the bible as a Christian. That person may be black, Armenian, chinese, arab, assyrian and so forth. It consideres everyone as equals since they are following the Christian religion. This is universalism. It can be absorbed by everyone.

And there lies the race-mixing problem. Our blood gets polluted because our people follow a universal, multiracial ideology and people usually do not value or forget the uniqueness of their ethnical and cultural identity due of that.

This is what is happening with the indigenous people of the USA and Europe and his happening in Armenia right now.
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Postby ARMENIA on Mon Oct 01, 2007 2:36 pm

Christianity considers every person who follows the teachings of the bible as a Christian. That person may be black, Armenian, chinese, arab, assyrian and so forth. It consideres everyone as equals since they are following the Christian religion. This is universalism. It can be absorbed by everyone.

And there lies the race-mixing problem. Our blood gets polluted because our people follow a universal, multiracial ideology and people usually do not value or forget the uniqueness of their ethnical and cultural identity due of that.

This is what is happening with the indigenous people of the USA and Europe and his happening in Armenia right now.


Actually you're changing the subject now, i thought we were discussing infiltration but it seems you want to talk about the Christian influence on race mixing.
Which by the way also can lead to infiltration on the long term.

Armenians shouldn't accept race mixing between two people just because they share the same religion.
On the first place one should be Armenian then Christian, if thats not the case it's because lack of nationalism.
Don't blame it on the religion, blame it on how parents are raising their children, without respect for their Armenian bloodline.

You should be happy that we adopted Christianity instead of Islam. If we adopted Islam instead of Christianity there wouldn't exist pure Armenians anymore.
You probably wouldn't be pure Armenian, most Parskahay's would be absorbed into the Muslim community of Iran.
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Postby leo_matousian on Mon Oct 01, 2007 5:04 pm

Hayazad wrote:Christianity considers every person who follows the teachings of the bible as a Christian. That person may be black, Armenian, chinese, arab, assyrian and so forth. It consideres everyone as equals since they are following the Christian religion. This is universalism. It can be absorbed by everyone.


you seem to have great hateness agains christianity but i understand it.

in some armenian churches the priests are racists and they
never accept subhuman gorilla arab christians to enter armenian churches
and there are others that are race mixers.

but generaly christianity harms us.
if jesus was armenian maybe we would think about following it.
but he aint is.


And there lies the race-mixing problem. Our blood gets polluted because our people follow a universal, multiracial ideology and people usually do not value or forget the uniqueness of their ethnical and cultural identity due of that.

This is what is happening with the indigenous people of the USA and Europe and his happening in Armenia right now.



this is 100% true.

but if we were muslims the race mixing would be much faster.

and it was impossible at that time to follow aryan paganism.
i wish if we were pagans till now and our granparents didnt adopt
christianity.

but im greatfull that they choosed christianity and not islamism.
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Postby Hayazad on Mon Oct 01, 2007 5:22 pm

Leo I wish the semitic religions were destroyed and replaced by heathenism/paganism or religion based on race/nation/blood and spirituality.

In all those Christian countries perverse and degenerate practises are promoted and indoctrinated in the Aryan youth. Ideas like homosexuality and other sexual perversions like zoophilia and bisexuality, feminism, humanism, democracy and all the other venomous ideologies are promoted. In Armenia this is starting to come up slowly too just like it has already been in Europa. Interracial relationships are so common now in Europe because Christian churches and the media have the same agenda. That everyone is equal and discrimination is such terrible thing they teach.

It seems that the jewish conspirators have gave their created religions a special mechanism. In Islam such things are punishable by death.
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Postby Hayazad on Mon Oct 01, 2007 5:28 pm

ARMENIA wrote:You probably wouldn't be pure Armenian, most Parskahay's would be absorbed into the Muslim community of Iran.

The Armenians of Iran have been surviving and keeping the Armenian spirit alive not because they love Christianity and are Christian, they have kept their identity alive because they adore their culture, attach value to keeping alive their identity. The Kurds of Iran are muslim too but they too very are nationalistic people who prefer marry to people of their own kind (as example).

The only serious threat to blood pollution for Armenians in Iran were the Christian assyrians.
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Postby Grigor Ariyatsi on Mon Oct 01, 2007 8:25 pm

"but i believe that the time has come for us to get rid of christianity
little by little also to clean up the non white looking trashes from
our nation. "

Your quote above seem to imply that you support violence among Armenians against each other, between Christians and non-Christians, as well well as between light skin Armenians and dark skin Armenians, which is very similar to Hutus and Tutsis in Rwanda, and to a certain extent between Russians and Ukrainians, and Serbs and Chroatians in Balkans, this idea of yours is very wrong and dangerous, and this is what actually may self-destroy Armenians as a nation. You seem to advocate civil war in Armenia, and an end to the Armenian state. Furthermore, you call a saint of Armenian literature, Paruyr Sevak as a non-Armenian, who actually has done more for the Armenian nation, Armenian culture and Armenia than all us here together combined.

As such, I do not consider you as a nationalist or a patriot for that matter, I even suspect you of being a provacateur, who wants to put Armenians against each other based on non-existant issues that you seem to want to create and find support for. If you are not a provacateur, but a misguided person who uncounseously advocates violence among Armenians and the destruction of the Armenian state then I may give you a benefit of doubt and probably by the end of this discussion your true beliefs and motives will become more apparent.

In regards to muslims becoming Armenian, we (Armenists) do not just accept any muslim speaking Armenian as an Armenian, this ideological clause only incorporates muslim Armenians residing in Turkey and Abkhazia, they are called Hamshetsi Armenians. In regards to black Armenians, we are not refering to any black person who speaks Armenian, but only to those black people who are of Armenian origin and primarily reside in Ethiopia.

According to one of my friends who visited the Armenian community in Ethiopia last year, there are only handful of black Armenians and just a few black muslim Armenians. Those ideological clauses in Armenism are provided for the specific type of Armenians that I have mentioned above. We also consider as Armenian those who have at least one Armenian parent, just like Jews who consider anybody who had a Jewish mother as a Jew regardless of their race or religeous belief.

Also, the type of people mentioned above must consider themselves as Armenian, before we accept them as Armenian. If somebody who is black or muslim of Armenian origin, or has one Armenian parent, but doesn't consider himself/herself as an Armenian, then we do not consider them as an Armenian.

I will talk more about these issues in my upcoming posts.
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Postby Grigor Ariyatsi on Mon Oct 01, 2007 8:45 pm

"I'm an Armenian nationalist and an Christian, i don't see any problems.-Armenia"


You are living in an ideological paradox. One cannot be a Christian and at the same time a nationalist Armenian. You are either a nationalist Armenian who confuses himself with also being a Christian, or a Christian who confuses himself with also being a nationalist Armenian. I have been there once myself, and know where you are coming from, but this identification is wrong.

Christianity is a horizontal ideology and nationalism is a vertical ideology, they conflict with each other, and do not go hand in hand with each other as you seem to think.

If you have realy studied Bible well, you would have either understood this ideological conflict by now, or will understand that later on. I have been reading and studying Bible and considering myself as a fudamentalist Christian and an Armenian nationalist from age 10 until age 25, when I eventually saw the conflict of identities and had to choose between the two, so I chose to be an Armenian nationalist.

Later on in your life you will come to a point where you will either chose one of the two identities, or both ideas will become irrelevant for you. But that doesn't mean that you will no longer be a patriotic Armenian. There are degrees of nationalism, starting from one who says that he/she is Armenian and feels good about it, and concluding with a level where one feels himself/herself so strongly Armenian, that they sacrifice their only life for their nation and fatherland.

Also, in Armenism we consider Armenianess as an ethno-linguistic identity associated with a specific culture that belongs to this identity and a specific geographic place where this culture is native to, specifically Armenia (which includes Republics of Armenia and Artsakh, as well as Nakhichevan, Utik and West Armenia, a specific piece of territory within the boundaries of the Sever Treaty of 1918), and therefore in our belief, whoever is of Armenian ethno-linguistic identity and acknowledges this identity as his/her essential identity, he/she is considered as an Armenian.
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Postby leo_matousian on Mon Oct 01, 2007 10:00 pm

Hayazad wrote:It seems that the jewish conspirators have gave their created religions a special mechanism. In Islam such things are punishable by death.



in islamism all muslims are also equal.

just if a muslim gets married with non muslim gets punished.
or if sunni muslim gets married with shiite muslim there might
be troubles.


but they never punish if any white muslim gets married with non white
muslim.

if you pray for muhhamad,and if you feel/act/behave like muslim
then your one of them.

so in the end its the same like chrisianity.
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Postby leo_matousian on Mon Oct 01, 2007 10:21 pm

Grigor Ariyatsi wrote:

Your quote above seem to imply that you support violence among Armenians against each other, between Christians and non-Christians, as well well as between light skin Armenians and dark skin Armenians,


i never support violence agains armenians each other.

but i differ pure armenians from non pure ones which are minority.
i also dont care about religion.

there is no such thing as dark skinned armenian.
there is real armenian and armenized dark armenian.

of course i dont exclude some armenians who supposdly have 100%
armenian ancestry at least since 1915 and look little bit darker
than average europeans.

but i exclude the ones who look exclusivly dravidian/turanian.
but their number is not more than 10% of all armenian speaking people.

which is very similar to Hutus and Tutsis in Rwanda, and to a certain extent between Russians and Ukrainians, and Serbs and Chroatians in Balkans, this idea of yours is very wrong and dangerous,


naa

these are bad examples.
tutsis and hutus are different nationalities from the same race.
so are serbs and croats and russian and ukranians.


if i support violence between armenians and georgians your examples
would be similar.

in my case i support differing pure armenians from the non pure ones.


and this is what actually may self-destroy Armenians as a nation.



about 80/90% of armenians of today are still pure armenians in my
eyes.

so if there are are 8 million armenians today in all the world.
then 7 million of them are pure and white.

if we unite all of them and make them to live like brothers under
tseghagron ideology.

then we wont need to that 8th million which are full of mongrels
and armenized non armenians.

You seem to advocate civil war in Armenia, and an end to the Armenian state.


i always said that we cant make any thing now in this hard situation
except teaching pure armenians to stick to each other and feel
aware from the non pure ones.

and there can never be a civili war for this matter.
cause pure armenians are 80/90% of the population.

there can be little holocaust to get rid of armenized non armenians.
which are minority.



Furthermore, you call a saint of Armenian literature, Paruyr Sevak as a non-Armenian, who actually has done more for the Armenian nation, Armenian culture and Armenia than all us here together combined.


i never seen a good picture of him.
thers no coloured picture of him so we cant comment about him.
but as you can see i have one of his quotes in my signature which
means that i respect him.

but of course i like very pure armenian looking literatures like
avedis aharonian more than him.cause i also feel blood relation
with him in addition of his bravity and his sacrifice for our nation.
this is something i can never feel with non pure armenian person no matter what he does for armenian cause.



. In regards to black Armenians, we are not refering to any black person who speaks Armenian, but only to those black people who are of Armenian origin and primarily reside in Ethiopia.


there is no such thing as original black "armenians"

there are just some armenized ethiopians who sticked their
nose in armenian society cause of judo christianity.

and now your using armenian paganism(armenism) as race mixing tool
like chrisianity. :!:

and i saw a picture of some armenians who live in ethiopia
they were one of the purest armenians that iv seen.

except there were few pure african blacks which have nothing
to do with armenian people.


As such, I do not consider you as a nationalist or a patriot for that matter, I even suspect you of being a provacateur, who wants to put Armenians against each other based on non-existant issues that you seem to want to create and find support for. If you are not a provacateur, but a misguided person who uncounseously advocates violence among Armenians and the destruction of the Armenian state then I may give you a benefit of doubt and probably by the end of this discussion your true beliefs and motives will become more apparent.


We also consider as Armenian those who have at least one Armenian parent, just like Jews who consider anybody who had a Jewish mother as a Jew regardless of their race or religeous belief.


i think that its honour for me to be called provacater from some
one that is convencing by himself that hes jew behaving
and use the same rules of jews considering who is armenian and whos not
with the same way that jews consider who is jew and whos not jew.

i have no comment about this issue

Also, the type of people mentioned above must consider themselves as Armenian, before we accept them as Armenian. If somebody who is black or muslim of Armenian origin, or has one Armenian parent, but doesn't consider himself/herself as an Armenian, then we do not consider them as an Armenian.
.



once again i will repeat what i said before.

beeing armenian or not is NOT like joining any maffia or group or political
party.

if you have armenian ancestry and look armenian and feel/act/behave
like armenian then your armenian.

all these terms are important in order to claim to be armenian.

beeing armenian is not like beeing communist or capitalist or liberalist.
its not some ones choice.
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Postby Hayazad on Tue Oct 02, 2007 6:11 am

Grigor Ariyatsi wrote:You are living in an ideological paradox. One cannot be a Christian and at the same time a nationalist Armenian. You are either a nationalist Armenian who confuses himself with also being a Christian, or a Christian who confuses himself with also being a nationalist Armenian. I have been there once myself, and know where you are coming from, but this identification is wrong.

Christianity is a horizontal ideology and nationalism is a vertical ideology, they conflict with each other, and do not go hand in hand with each other as you seem to think.

If you have realy studied Bible well, you would have either understood this ideological conflict by now, or will understand that later on. I have been reading and studying Bible and considering myself as a fudamentalist Christian and an Armenian nationalist from age 10 until age 25, when I eventually saw the conflict of identities and had to choose between the two, so I chose to be an Armenian nationalist.

Later on in your life you will come to a point where you will either chose one of the two identities, or both ideas will become irrelevant for you. But that doesn't mean that you will no longer be a patriotic Armenian. There are degrees of nationalism, starting from one who says that he/she is Armenian and feels good about it, and concluding with a level where one feels himself/herself so strongly Armenian, that they sacrifice their only life for their nation and fatherland.

I entirely agree with you.

But Grigor don't you think that our numbers are currently too small for us to participate in such ideology (that Armenianness becomes an ideal strife for and can be extended & implied to people of other ethnical backgrounds)?

I will agree with Armenism at this point when our numbers are much bigger and our existence as a ethnic group is secured. And secondly we need to educate our children from a young age that everying must be in favor for their people and their homeland Armenia. I completely understand what your're standing for on this point.
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Postby Grigor Ariyatsi on Tue Oct 02, 2007 11:45 pm

"i think that its honour for me to be called provacater from some
one that is convencing by himself that hes jew behaving
and use the same rules of jews considering who is armenian and whos not
with the same way that jews consider who is jew and whos not jew."-Leo


I didn't understand your comment above, I suggest that you clarify what you meant there. If you are calling me a jew, then you are wrong, as I was able to trace and verify my 100% Armenian ancesstry back to 1700AD. All of my ancesstors are Armenians from Artsakh, including my parents and grand parents, and my parents' grandparents.


The only thing that I agree with you in your coment above is the fact that our ideology and belief system shares similarities with Jewish Zionism. That is because Zionism has proven to be a major catalyst for rallying jews around their homeland and cultural identity.

Judging from their experience, we also believe that Armenism will be able to rally significant portions of Armenian population throughout the world around our sacred Fatherland Armenia and our Armenian ethno-linguistic, cultural identity for the purpose of preserving our identity and Fatherland for more centuries and millenia to come.
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Postby Grigor Ariyatsi on Tue Oct 02, 2007 11:51 pm

"there can be little holocaust to get rid of armenized non armenians.
which are minority. -Leo"

Armenized Armenians are also Armenians. Thus with your quote above you just proved that you are advocating violence among Armenians, therefore, I do not consider you a truly Armenian nationalist, but a provacateur.

Even Garegin Njdeh, who is the best example of an Armenian nationalist, has never advocated carrying out any size of holocaust against any segment of the Armenian population in any of his writings (which I have all read and in some cases several times).
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