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Postby Grigor Ariyatsi on Wed Oct 03, 2007 12:09 am

"I entirely agree with you.

But Grigor don't you think that our numbers are currently too small for us to participate in such ideology (that Armenianness becomes an ideal strife for and can be extended & implied to people of other ethnical backgrounds)?

I will agree with Armenism at this point when our numbers are much bigger and our existence as a ethnic group is secured. And secondly we need to educate our children from a young age that everying must be in favor for their people and their homeland Armenia. I completely understand what your're standing for on this point.-Hayazad"


Dear Hayazad, I completely understand your concern and arguable you are correct. However, we (the ones in charge of this project) have decided to take a risk, as in our view it is better now than later, as we came to conclusion that carryng out this project later could then be too late.

Our (Armenian) strength throughout history have always been in our quality and not quantity. We hope and encourage everyone like us to translate this quality into a quantity, and of course, the results of this and related efforts may only be felt much later, perhaps in a couple or several genarations later.

Since we cannot guarantee that we will be around for the next several generations, and since we do not know what sort of challenges and initiatives our future generations will be involved in and may face with, we have decided to begin this project now, to be exact, we began our project in 2002.

We have found and identified some of our ancient Armenian traditions which we are working on in bringing them into our daily life starting first of all from us, (such as facing Mt. Ararat during our prayers, Armenist form of baptising a newly born child, and a number of other traditions), and we have a trusted person who is writing our holy book (the name of this book for now will remain secret as well as the name of this writer), we also have our own symbol, code of conduct and so on. We are continuously developing our belief system and ideology.

When we are fully ready, more information will become public. Meanwhile, I suggest that you stay in touch with us.
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Postby Hayazad on Wed Oct 03, 2007 7:27 am

Thank you very much for your information enger. I will contact you.
"Armenia is the beginning and the end"
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Postby leo_matousian on Wed Oct 03, 2007 12:20 pm

Grigor Ariyatsi wrote:"Armenized Armenians are also Armenians.


no their not.

they just can speak armenian.
but they have no relation with armenian blood
or armenian people or armenian history.



Thus with your quote above you just proved that you are advocating violence among Armenians, therefore, I do not consider you a truly Armenian nationalist, but a provacateur.



well yeah.

i support racial cleaning in armenian nation.

not agains some armenians who dont look 100% european.

but agains armenized people who have clearly non armenian
ancestry.

in my city there are 100 000 armenians.

25% of them can pass as north european.
other 25% as central european.
and about another 40% as south european.


we have 10% of strange middle eastern looking armenian speaking
people.

75% of them have storries about their turkish grandfather
or kurdish grand mother.
or their iranian ancestry.

there was very dark armenian that i know him long time ago.
i always respected him cause of his supposed 100% "armenian ancestry"
but then it was last month when he told me that his father
couldnt speak armenian till the age of 17/18 cause in their
familiy they used to speak arabic cause he has assyrian
grandmother.

i support ethnic cleansing agains this kind of scums.
they must be sent to the same place that jews were sent in ww2.



Even Garegin Njdeh, who is the best example of an Armenian nationalist, has never advocated carrying out any size of holocaust against any segment of the Armenian population in any of his writings (which I have all read and in some cases several times).



armenia was too weak at that time
so he wasnt able to think about such thing

but take look at hitler.
when he came to power he made racial/ethnic cleansing.
maybe the number of germanic speaking people were higher
before the ethnic cleansing.

he excluded some german speaking people that have slavic and non germanic ancestry(of course i dont mention the jewish holocaust
and the cleansing of jews.but he excluded some german speaking
people that have non germanic blood.he didnt kill them but he expelled
them from reich)

so the number of german speaking people got decreased.
but from other side he united all germanic races under tseghagron
ideology.and formed the strongest empire in the whole history of humanity.


i support that kind of unification of all armenian races
from shushi to yerevan from syunik to javakhk.

and ethnic cleansing of very non armenian looking armenian speaking
people.

of course IMO i dont support an ethnic cleansing
of some armenian speaking people who are mixed with georgians
and white persians.
but i support the cleansing agains dark middle eastern people.



thats the whold idea of tseghagron and national socialism.
and i believe that its the only way for us to remember the old glorious
days of tigran the great.
"We must secure the existence of our nation,
and future for white armenian children"

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Postby Grigor Ariyatsi on Wed Oct 03, 2007 5:26 pm

"thats the whold idea of tseghagron and national socialism.
and i believe that its the only way for us to remember the old glorious
days of tigran the great.-Leo"

Contrary to your understanding Tseghakronutyun didn't and doesn't teach or encourage carrying out any genocides of other fellow Armenians. Furthermore, Tseghakronutyun and national socialism do not share any common principles, beliefs and ideas. Unlike national socialism Tseghakronutyun doesn't advocate any sort of economic system and unlike national socialism, Tseghakronutyun is not applicable to other nations, as it was solely created for the purposes of preserving Armenian nation as a seperate cultural identity closely tight together with its native language and Fatherland.

You should stop misinterpreting the writings of Garegin Njdeh and making baseless assumtions of what Njdeh might of meant or wanted to say. As everything that he meant and wanted to say were explicitely expressed in his writings. Therefore, anything else one assumes or interprets outside of what was written by Garegin Njdeh is simly wrong.
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Postby Grigor Ariyatsi on Wed Oct 03, 2007 5:29 pm

Hayazad wrote:Thank you very much for your information enger. I will contact you.



You are welcome Hayazad. Feel free to visit our affiliate web sites, www.angelfire.com/hi/Azgaser and www.usanogh.org
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Postby leo_matousian on Thu Oct 04, 2007 10:22 pm

Grigor Ariyatsi wrote:Contrary to your understanding Tseghakronutyun didn't and doesn't teach or encourage carrying out any genocides of other fellow Armenians.


fellow armenians ?

your still calling armenian speaking armenized people fellow armenians
with the same way that jews and multiculturist call the french speaking
algerian criminals "fellow frenches" and romanian speaking gypsy
thieves "fellow romanians" and your still daring to discuss with me
about tseghagron (translation in english:racial religion)
which is something that makes you a disgusting person.


Furthermore, Tseghakronutyun and national socialism do not share any common principles, beliefs and ideas. Unlike national socialism Tseghakronutyun doesn't advocate any sort of economic system and unlike national socialism, Tseghakronutyun is not applicable to other nations, as it was solely created for the purposes of preserving Armenian nation as a seperate cultural identity closely tight together with its native language and Fatherland.


actualy tseghagron is the armenian version of national socialism
like how fascism is the italian version and nazism the german version.
they all have the same purpose of uniting all pure races from one side
and excluding the aliens from other side.

this is something confirmed by Garegin njdeh.

Ֆաշիզմը ազգայնականության, ցեղապաշտության իտալական դրսեւորումն է, նացիզմը՝ գերմանական: «երազանցորեն հայկական է ցեղակրոնության գաղափարը: Այդ շարժումը կաղապարված է մեր ցեղի էության վրա:

http://www.armenianaryans.com/AryanComm ... .php5?t=42

there are also some other threads there you can see how tseghagron
did care about tsegh

you can also contact the webmaster of armenianaryans if you still
doubt about this cause his more expert than me in this field.
but he would rather teach a cow to ride bicycle .



You should stop misinterpreting the writings of Garegin Njdeh and making baseless assumtions of what Njdeh might of meant or wanted to say. As everything that he meant and wanted to say were explicitely expressed in his writings. Therefore, anything else one assumes or interprets outside of what was written by Garegin Njdeh is simly wrong.


actualy garegin njdeh has very famous quote saying that he preffer's
to see armenia beeing collapsed than seeing armenia with mixed people
and fellow pure armenians getting mixed with aliens.

but i dont have time to find it and scan it and show it to you.
as i dont care what you and your race mixing zog machine organization
think.(the funniest thing is that you claim to be armenist and anti christian
and claim that you only care about ethiopians of "armenian origins"
while you dont realize that the only relation of some ethiopians
with us is their similarity of their churches and they have contacts
with armenian culture cause of judo christianity.)


just convince yourself that you have nothing to do with tseghagron
or the armenist religion that is based on racial loyality.
also if you belong to that 10% of strange looking armenian speaking
people admit that your not real armenian,

and the life will get much easier.
"We must secure the existence of our nation,
and future for white armenian children"

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Postby Grigor Ariyatsi on Thu Oct 04, 2007 11:46 pm

You know, your line of thinking is simply mediocre. You will do much good for Armenia and Armenians, as well as for yourself, if you go back to your cave and live out the rest of your meaningless life there, rather than dangle your dirty fingers in Armenian issues and pretend to be an Armenian nationalist, which you are definitely not.

As such, I don't intend to spend any more time discussing with you anything at all, so consider yourself on top of my Ignore List.
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Postby leo_matousian on Fri Oct 05, 2007 1:48 pm

Grigor Ariyatsi wrote:As such, I don't intend to spend any more time discussing with you anything at all, so consider yourself on top of my Ignore List.



No problem dude.

im so glad that weve done this conversation.
When you joined here you claimed that im narrow minded person.
After we did this conversation we saw whos the narrow minded between us.

iv done nothing except responding to your posts point by point
backing my claims with sources.and all i got occasioned responses
without even beeing backed with any source.and now you decided
to stop it and put me on your ignore list.
"We must secure the existence of our nation,
and future for white armenian children"

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Postby Ar on Sun Apr 13, 2008 11:03 am

***GRrigor words*** to leo_matousian
If somebody is black, but considers himself/herself as an Armenian, then he or she is Armenian.

Այ Թուրք` էս ինչ էս ասում?
Մենակ մեր ազգին ***վատը*** ցանկացողը սենց բան կասեր:
Էս քանի երես ունես,որ սենց բան էս գրում?

***GRrigor words***
If you are so against Christianity,why are you making references to Christian ideas,such as “sin”.

Է~յ,քեզ ով ա ասել,որ ''sin"ը Christ-ոնեական հասկացություն ա??????
Մինչև ձեր նմանների ծնվելը էտ հասկացությունը եղել ա մարդկության մոտ:

***GRrigor words***
We are not refering to any black person who speaks Armenian, but only to those black people who are of Armenian origin and primarily reside in Ethiopia.

Էսի արդեն ԿՌՈւՏԻՏՏԱ,դու քո սրտի ներսում հաստատ ուրիշ բան ի նկատի ունեիր,երբ գրել էիր – *** If somebody is black, but considers himself/herself as an Armenian, then he or she is Armenian. ***

Armenia words.
"I'm an Armenian nationalist and an Christian, i don't see any problems.-Armenia"

***GRrigor words*** to Armenia words.
You are living in an ideological paradox. One cannot be a Christian and at the same time a nationalist Armenian.

Բա եթե էդքանը Հասկանում էս,էլ ինչ էս այս Ֆորումում անում:
ԱՅՍ ՖՈՐՈւՄԸ ՀԱՅՐԵՆԱՍԵՐ ՀԱՅԵՐԻ ՀԱՄԱՐԱ:

Դու ավելի ոնց կաս – քռիստոնյա` մնա,Բայց քո անունից,տեսանկյունից ոչ ոքու մի փորձի բացատրել Արմենիզմ և ալդպիսի ալյ Վեհագույն Գաղափարներ:
Սայտիտ մեջ – ARTICLES – բաժնում - Armenians and Swastica, Սվաստիկա բառը սխալ էս գրել,պիտի լիներ - Swastika:
Էտ ինչ եք,ձերոնցով գրել - More about the Armenism – ի մեջ
We believe that national identity of world’s leading individuals like Albert Einstein,…
Ձեր համար կարողա ինքը էնա ինչ գրել էք,բայց ուրիշների համար ինկը բ.. տղայա:
Իրա անունը խի էք մտցրել ?


^^Ադմին կներես,որ հայերեն եմ գրել այստեղ, ուղակի հնարավոր չեր այսքանը անգլերեն լեզվով գրել:^^
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Postby Ar on Sun Apr 13, 2008 11:21 am

leo_matousian wrote:you can also contact the webmaster of armenianaryans if you still
doubt about this cause his more expert than me in this field.
but he would rather teach a cow to ride bicycle .


Surely.

leo_matousian wrote:but i dont have time to find it and scan it and show it to you.
as i dont care what you and your race mixing zog machine organization
think.


YOU ARE READING MY MINDS,Leo :twisted:

leo_matousian wrote:just convince yourself that you have nothing to do with tseghagron
or the armenist religion that is based on racial loyality.
also if you belong to that 10% of strange looking armenian speaking
people admit that your not real armenian,


:twisted:
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